Curse

Phoenix Ex · Oct 04, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by ChildeOfMalkav

Does not know what it's doing? You mean not grinding and farming pointlessly and actually playing the game? Sure then.

QFT....BUT, the problem is this.

I have a character of every primary profession lvl 20, all skill unlocked, finished all missions, finished all bonuses, finished all quests, done UW/FoW/Deep/Urgoz, got max survivor, got grandmaster cartographer 100% for cantha and tyria....Fow armor for 1 char and 15k of all flavors for the rest....

3 months ago....what to do until next chapter.

Somehow, I have a really bad feeling ANet put so few content for non-casual players so that they save server space or something. And even those few end game areas that they put in are almost perpetually locked, thanks to favor, and the annoying faction grind system.

We need more options with enough flashiness that keep people interested instead of "ok I finished this game in 2 days, what to do? I know! I'll go farm weapons!".

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 04, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Akhilleus

but for the past 6,000 years of human history its been proven again and again that the single WORST thing you can do, is cater to the mob.
stupid people only see whats ebenificial to themselves, not society as a whole, which happens to be the larger part of why ive given up arguing with some of the people in this thread...a few of them are just to dumb to ever realize they're wrong. ignorance is bliss.

I know what you mean about things being ruined because the developers listen to the mindless droves, I was on a MUD with a max level of 19 and 20 "plus levels" and got into a new guild called the Cyberninjas. I was the first person in the guild, and with the help of friends and such, I managed to dump about 2 million gold (in a game where the max gold you can hold was 80k) and 3 million experience into the guild on my level 13 character (level 13 runs about 300k xp, level 19+5 costs 1.3mil or so if memory serves) and max out all available guild talents...

My character got neutered because of people crying that a level 13 shouldn't ever under any circumstance be allowed to kill a level 19+5, and they nerfed my guild until I couldn't even kill the NPCs I used to kill. That MUD spiraled out of control on that front for quite awhile, lowering things constantly and pandering to the lowest common denominator.

But show me the thread on here where someone recommended Anet let us salvage inheirent modifications, I would like to see it. I would be interested to know if this is an idea they had to nix all of the 100k+__ecto sales of weapon skins that would be worthless with the exact same stats on another skin.

I would imagine there's a Sardelac thread about being able to focus your salvage attempt, but I've not seen one requesting inheirent salvage options. If they came up with the idea then they aren't "cater[ing] to the mob" and if they did scrap the idea, then wouldn't they just be listening to you?

If that's the case, then wouldn't you just be being upset that they aren't going to cater to your whim? Could it be that if the "mob" wanted things to stay the same, that you would have phrased your statement differently? If common opinion differs from your own, does that make it wrong?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

QFT....BUT, the problem is this.

I have a character of every primary profession lvl 20, all skill unlocked, finished all missions, finished all bonuses, finished all quests, done UW/FoW/Deep/Urgoz, got max survivor, got grandmaster cartographer 100% for cantha and tyria....Fow armor for 1 char and 15k of all flavors for the rest....

3 months ago....what to do until next chapter.

Somehow, I have a really bad feeling ANet put so few content for non-casual players so that they save server space or something. And even those few end game areas that they put in are almost perpetually locked, thanks to favor, and the annoying faction grind system.

We need more options with enough flashiness that keep people interested instead of "ok I finished this game in 2 days, what to do? I know! I'll go farm weapons!".

There are other aspects to this game, there are a lot of people who much prefer the PVP portion of the game to grinding PVE to farm for that 1337 100t. There is a lot more to this game than just the PVE.

Mordakai · Oct 04, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Pheonix Ex

Somehow, I have a really bad feeling ANet put so few content for non-casual players so that they save server space or something.

Hmm... that actually makes sense.

After all, like Akhilleus says, the perfect on-line game is one that everyone buys, but no one plays.

Maybe we aren't supposed to be playing Guild Wars 24/7...

supaet · Oct 04, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Please tell me the difference between farming Ectos and farming perfect weapons that sell for over 100k.... why is one boring, and the other not?

I'd rather have cheap mods and cheap skins then FoW armor, anyway!

And Akhilleus, how much gold do I need before "I know what I'm doing"?

because rare weapons can be obtain every where, you can get it without "farming", you can get from chests. You can get it from other player from varies prices. It has many different type of items. Do you really not know getting items is more fun than grining in uw for ectos? You can get ectos without farming for it, just buy from trader. Thus the process of getting rare items is more fun than the process of getting ectos and fow armor.

Mordakai · Oct 04, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by supaet

because rare weapons can be obtain every where, you can get it without "farming", you can get from chests. You can get it from other player from varies prices. It has many different type of items. Do you really not know getting items is more fun than grining in uw for ectos? You can get ectos without farming for it, just buy from trader. Thus the process of getting rare items is more fun than the process of getting ectos and fow armor.

Chest runs are a waste of money. Even during the increased key drops / increased Gold items weekend, I spent a few thousand on keys, and it got me nothing.

My point, and perhaps you missed this, is some of us don't enjoy trading. Or chest runs. Or farming.

We get our weapons from Collectors and Crafters. Which is fine...

But now Anet comes up with a great new idea, and I'm labeled "lazy" and a "whiner" because I like it? No, sir. It wasn't my idea. Hell, I didn't even have the idea to put Mod Merchants with the Inscriptions, but I hope they do!

Bottom line, this will make Guild Wars more fun for the majority.

And I suspect with a little ingenuity, even some hard-core traders will have fun with the new Inscriptions, too.

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 04, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Chest runs are a waste of money. Even during the increased key drops / increased Gold items weekend, I spent a few thousand on keys, and it got me nothing.

But imagine this...

You get a Gothic Sword req 8 15^50, and sell it for 100k+e

you buy 200 keys and then run them ALL, you get two items valuable enough to sell for 100k+e, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat...

Doesn't that sound FUN?

No?

I don't think so either, but some people are mad that their virtual wealth MAY be affected by this change.

supaet · Oct 04, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Chest runs are a waste of money. Even during the increased key drops / increased Gold items weekend, I spent a few thousand on keys, and it got me nothing.

My point, and perhaps you missed this, is some of us don't enjoy trading. Or chest runs. Or farming.

We get our weapons from Collectors and Crafters. Which is fine...

But now Anet comes up with a great new idea, and I'm labeled "lazy" and a "whiner" because I like it? No, sir. It wasn't my idea. Hell, I didn't even have the idea to put Mod Merchants with the Inscriptions, but I hope they do!

Bottom line, this will make Guild Wars more fun for the majority.

And I suspect with a little ingenuity, even some hard-core traders will have fun with the new Inscriptions, too.

ok, I take it that you do not have any fow. Then just use crafter or collector items. I take it that you don't enjoy trading or farming. You finish the game yet? if you do, what you gonna do? pvp only? if you pvp, why should you care about the skin.......

Franco · Oct 04, 2006, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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put Mod Merchants with the Inscriptions, but I hope they do!

O_O Hell no!! We wont even be able to sell 15^50s that way. ><

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 04, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by supaet

if you pvp, why should you care about the skin.......

Because when I play the violin sadly on your corpse, I want to look cooler than a PVP only character

Mordakai · Oct 04, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by supaet

ok, I take it that you do not have any fow. Then just use crafter or collector items. I take it that you don't enjoy trading or farming. You finish the game yet? if you do, what you gonna do? pvp only? if you pvp, why should you care about the skin.......

Did you even read my post?

I admit, I use Crafter and Collector weapons. My only Greens are from the end of Factions.

I'm a Casual player, I only have 3 level 20 characters, and NONE of them have done every quest in the game. Hell, I didn't even do the Titan quests or Sorrow's Furnace yet...

so, frankly, not having anything to do is not an issue to me.

I don't care about skins, at all, but I still think this is a great idea, if for no other reason than cheap mods not available at collectors or crafters.

And, really, do I need a reason to like it? It just makes logic sense: we can already salvage mods, why not salvage the Inscription, or "inherent" mod as well? I mean, seriously, why not?

I'm sorry you don't have anything to do in Guild Wars anymore, but frankly, that sounds like a personal problem. You can do something else, you know, until Nightfall comes out...

In fact, why should I feel guilty becuase I can't play GW 24 hours a day? I mean, seriously, people, you are not the only ones playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Franco

O_O Hell no!! We wont even be able to sell 15^50s that way. ><

Oh Hell yes! I don't even want to have to deal with you.

Mark my words, we're not getting an Auction House. We're getting Merchants to handle every transaction, that way, every transaction is a bit of a gold sink. (You always sell to the merchant for less than you buy).

It just makes sense.

(oh, yeah, and like Gli says, it provides price control).

=HT=Ingram · Oct 04, 2006, 09:39 PM // 21:39

I made the suggestion ages ago that ALL modded weapons should be customized via the blacksmith and you all got pissy about it immediately...

If you go to the blacksmith to put inscriptions, and other mods onto a weapon it SHOULD be customized to your character for YOUR or YOUR Heroes use only. I took it a step further and said that it Could be customized for your account only... allowing your other characters to use it too, but even that was shot down by those that want to preserve their inflation market... So I have no pity now... I stand by my recomendations on this from June 2005 even though the new salvage is not part of it, the concept of crafting the new weapons from such salvage should be the same.

Gli · Oct 04, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Franco

O_O Hell no!! We wont even be able to sell 15^50s that way. ><

Oh please...

Rune traders don't stop me from selling my superior vigor for 30k

Dye traders don't stop me from selling my black dye for 9k

Material traders don't stop me from selling my ectoplasm for 6.5k

Traders are great because they ensure supply and demand prices.

Franco · Oct 04, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

mmm dont stop you, I buy and sell mostly everything to traders except ectos.

Do you think i have the patience to stand around spamming wtb and wts, thas what guru is for lol.

=HT=Ingram · Oct 04, 2006, 09:49 PM // 21:49

and those are reasonable prices Gli that's the point. I remember a day not too long ago when Superior vigors were well over 120k and THAT was ridiculous...

Also remember when Ecto was over 40k also ridiculous...

Once the traders came in the market got some regulation and stabilized. Thats all we are asking for.

Franco · Oct 04, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

god i wish i played gw when the prices were like that.... make 120k in 1 or 2 hours lol.

Gizzen Garr · Oct 04, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Franco

O_O Hell no!! We wont even be able to sell 15^50s that way. ><

OMG this update isnt about making money, it is about letting the average player get great weps w/ great skins. its not for the rich to get even richer.

Phoenix Ex · Oct 04, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Bottom line is, the current prices for most of the gold weapons are ridiculously overpriced, maybe with the exception of crystalline and a few other.

So, this system is a step to fixing the prices, but HOPEFULLY ANet will be smart enough to think of something to keep the prices at a decent level (that truly rare skins that doesn't drop that much like crystalline SHOULD cost the max amount a player can carry, 100k, but stuff like zodiac that drops like flies should not be more than 50k, etc.

And ANet need to add more incentive for the less casual players to keep them interested (i've said this like 5 times in this one topic). Remember that the hardcores also help pay for content development, and they are also usually the one that will promote guild wars rather than nitpicking on its fault. (Most casual players I know are constantly complaining about fow/weapon/title/everything being too expensive, and how elite skill bosses spawn too randomly in prophecies, etc.)

Clawdius_Talonious · Oct 04, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Franco

god i wish i played gw when the prices were like that.... make 120k in 1 or 2 hours lol.

Superior Vigors were fairly rare drops then, me and a couple guildies of mine would rune farm for hours and only get a handful of rare armors, and back then they didn't always salvage a rune.

Franco · Oct 04, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Yes on on the other hand UW wasnt nerfed and actually dropped ectos ^^.

sixdartbart · Oct 04, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

My goodness this is an entertaining thread

I love how a few people here ( Mort and a couple others come to mind) are able to make their arguements without turning to personal attacks or labeling entire blocks of people that you disagree with, while most are so concerned with making their point that they will contradict themselves and just devolve into name calling

Before you guys get yourselves too much farther out on a limb with any of your points you should read the chat log from Gaile yesterday http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10054375
My impression from this is that they had an idea and didn't think through all of the effects it may have in other aspects of the game but are now "discussing the finer points of it" most likely thanks to discussions like this one so keep in mind that if you have any intention of being listened too and taken seriously it is much more likely to happen when you dont sound like an angry self serving child

Wait and see is a fine approach for some people who will blindly believe that since Anet makes the game they must know everything about what they are doing but regaurdless of how well intentioned they as everyone will sometimes do things that have unintended outcomes.
Are we better to try and get some of these problems worked out before it actually causes problems that they didn't mean to happen or wait for the virtual sky to fall before wanted them to take a closer look???

Peace